Alt Kit Pivot bolt with a "Drunken Thread"!

7-2014 R. Kwas, updates on-going  [Comments Added]

Reference info:  Bolt Ratings

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Background:  I buy the superior quality Holo-Krome ASTM-A574 rated pivot bolts for the Sw-Em Alternator Kits in batches...typically in boxes of 50.  I then add the washers, treat the threads with Anti-Seize or even ACZP, and thread them loosely into the threaded insert of the bracket.  This quality check verifies all critical characteristics of the bracket, such as alignment of the pivot bosses as well as threads of the insert, and bolt engagement. 

While preparing a batch of brackets, one of these bolts just wouldn't thread in(!)...substituting another bolt, it threaded into the bracket without difficulty, showing that the problem was with the bolt itself...[a burr or something else wrong with the thread, I immediately thought]...but a close inspection of the end of the bolt and threads revealed nothing immediately obvious

I tried the bolt in another bracket with similar results:  It wouldn't thread in! 

Holding the bolt up to another to check thread pitch didn't reveal anything either!  Threads of the two matched perfectly!....what the?


Two Alt Kit pivot bolts.  Top one threads into 3/8" 16 thread perfectly,
bottom one would not.


Performing the typical thread comparison any mechanic might:  Perfect pitch match!

[Insert Tim Allen grunt with a rising tailing note here, indicating complete bafflement!]

...but they did look mysteriously different in the "angle of the thread"...that is, it seemed like the threads still had an issue...I consulted an expert!

Taking the bolt and a "normal" one for comparison to my dad, fastener expert and who happened to also be retired from Holo-Krome Engineering department, I presented them, along with a 3/8'-16 nut to him asking him to examine the samples and explain.  It took him only about 15 mS after looking at the two to say:  "Ronny, that's what they call a "Drunken Thread".  HUH?!? (This is apparently an industry term!)

His Explanation:   Apparently, when the bolt blanks are rolled along the threading dies as shown below, occasionally, a blank will drop into the space between the dies not vertically, but on an angle.  As the dies then move and the blank rolls between the two, displacing (not cutting!) metal to make the threads, two thread-starts can occur, and a Double Lead/Drunken Thread results.  Process control is supposed to prevent, and inspection after the threading operation is supposed to catch and weed these rarities out, preventing them from making it into the box and to the customer, but apparently one got through and to me.  Thanks for the explanation, dad!

 


Cold Forging thread forming after heat treat, shown happening correctly at this video:  https://youtu.be/3kxcw08p_oY?t=2m10s 
Occasionally, it happens wrong too, resulting in a Drunken Thread!

 

...so I checked off the "Learned Something New Today" box on my calendar!   

Note:  Since Alt Kits are prepared and shipped with pivot bolt completely threaded into place, there is no possibility that a customer of the Sw-Em Alt Kit ever receives a kit with a pivot bolt with a Drunken Thread, but I thought I would show, and explain it here for anyone interested. 

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Reference Information  [My Additions.  RK]:

...from a popular reference site:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw_%28simple_machine%29

The fineness or coarseness of a screw's threads are defined by two closely related quantities: 

In most screws, called "single start" screws, which have a single helical thread wrapped around them, the lead and pitch are equal. They only differ in "multiple start" screws, which have several intertwined threads. In these screws the lead is equal to the pitch multiplied by the number of starts.  [Intentional!] Multiple-start screws are used when a large linear motion for a given rotation is desired, for example in screw caps on bottles, and ball point pens, and for instance, some drywall screws, but unintentional Double-Starts can occur as a result of manufacturing faults, as explained above! 

Pivot bolt of the Sw-Em Alt Kit is clearly supposed to be a Single Start 3/8" UNC bolt, but because of the manufacturing error, Double Starts do occur and one was inadvertently included in the bolt stock, but found and excluded from the kit during the quality check.

...under Lead and pitch: 

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Bolt Ratings:  
from a discussion at  http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/193003-sae-vs-metric-bolt-strength.html

 
Here is a quick reference comparing "Minimum Strengths" of Metric and SAE fasteners. 
Note the SW-EM Alt Kit Pivot bolts are the ASTM-A574 type with a superior Tensile rating of 170,000PSI,
which is even beyond that of Grade 8!  ["Nothing but the best for the girls I go with...or SW-EM customers!"] 
Source of chart:  ?

 

 

Comments to Bolt Ratings:

ASTM-574 (also known as "Socket Head Cap Screws", Tensile:  170,00PSI).  These bolts are some of the highest quality fasteners available, and you will also find them in critical aerospace applications! 

US Grade 8 (Six lines on head, Tensile: 150,00PSI) = Approx. metric property class 10.9  Better (the good stuff...for your Brakes!). 

US Grade 5  (Three lines on head, Tensile 120,000PSI) = Approx. metric property class 8.8  Regular (nothin' fancy...quality general purpose fasteners).   

US Grade 2 (No lines on head, Tensile:  60,00PSI...maybe!) =  Junk low carbon steel bolts...china's finest!...maybe even fraudulently marked(!) as grade 5, see also below!...good for holding together lawn furniture!...well...not really, because the only way you could get this trash metal to rust any faster than leaving it in the back yard is by dropping them in the ocean!  ...never to be used on your Volvo!  ...but nice because you can buy them long, and easily cut them to length (with a butter knife).  [I personally will take an old rusted bolt which I know came from Sweden, clean it and reuse it, in preference to these, because then, I know what I have!]

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Slotted Head bolts...and Square Head Bolts...may have been good for holding sides on a Conestoga Wagon in 1880, or slats to your white picket fence, but when I find 'em now, they go in the metal recycle can.  

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china's finest!  

I have generally tried to keep the SW-EM website positive, with useful info for the vintage Volvo owner/maintainer, and the odd metaphor or wise** comment thrown in for entertainment purposes, but I have been disappointed/screwed by chinashite goods repeatedly now (and not simply tools, but other shoddy goods as well) that I feel justified, even obligated to include this section, now that they have seen fit not to simply flood the world with junk products, but also to export tainted baby food, dog food, and now this highly contagious disease which kills the weak...and of course, as the slime commies they are, they lied about it...

Some fine examples:

Recall of a Recall (they couldn't even see fit to get the first Recall right!).


Source:  https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a33235534/harbor-freight-replacement-jack-stands-recalled/

The original, complete with a totally fictitious 3 Ton rating.  Specifications on chinese shitegoods are often out-and-out LIES!


Yeah right...Pittsburgh, xingo province!  Source:  MSN website, but they have now removed it 'cause they wouldn't offend anyone...!

 

More shoddy counterfeit goods...they can even get a tape measure right!  I wonder what they use in their own construction industry!

 

 

I'll add some more fine examples of chinashite goods as I run across them...in the meantime, I'll be buying USED American made tools and goods.

...but don't just take my word...here are some other particularly heinous examples which other individuals have run across/been screwed by:

 

PLACEHOLDER Guest submissions welcome!

 

Here is what I have to say to them for their absolute trash products and dishonorable actions (a message which doesn't need translation!): 

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