Heat from Heater/Defroster, when Control is set to COLD 

First published Jun 2023 R.Kwas,  Revisions ongoing!  [Comments Added]

This subject comes up repeatedly, especially as our cars get older. 

Bowden Cable Action at Heater Control Valve
Heater Control Valve Fully Closed
Heater Control Valve Fully Open
Problem Condition
The Simple Fix - Barbing the Sheathclamps

Reference Information
    Heater Core Circuit
    Cold Flow or Creep
    Bowden Cable info
    "Other Solutions" to Slipping Bowden Cable Sheaths
 

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The Heater Control Valve is located on the firewall above the parcel shelf in the passengers Footwell of vintage Volvos (L/RHD Amazon), with its plumbing protruding through the mounting surface into the engine compartment, and its linkages in the passenger compartment. 


Heater Control Valve in Situ in a 122, as viewed in Passenger Compartment footwell, with black Bowden Control
 Cable departing to Heater Control Panel, and Copper capillary heat sensing tube departing downwards toward Airbox. 
Shown in the fully closed position, this is what it should look like when the Temp Control is set to Cold!  If more of the Sheath
 of Bowden Control Cable is visible below Sheathclamp, you have found the commonly occurring reason you are getting Heat
when Control is set to Cold!
 

 

Bowden Cable Action at Heater Control Valve:  

In normal operation, a Bowden Control Cable  from the Heater Control Panel imparts about 1 inch of movement to the Actuation Lever of the Heater Control Valve.  When Control Cable is fully extended, the valve is closed and Coolant flow through the HCV is blocked.  When Control Cable is fully pulled, a linkage lifts Coolant Seal from its seat, opening valve and allowing flow.

A Helper or Return Spring on the Ranco H16 Valve aids with returning the linkage position when opening the valve. 

 

Heater Control Valve Fully Closed:


HCV with Actuating Lever shown in the fully Closed position.  Note AL angle and, and that it is up against the lower stop! No coolant flow is allowed through Valve, so no heat can be exchanged in Heater Core!  Note also that in the normally and correctly installed position, the Control Cable Sheath protrudes between 1/4" and (no more than) 1/2" past the clamping area.

 

Heater Control Valve Fully Open: 


HCV with Actuating Lever in the fully Open position.  Note AL angle and, and that it is up against the upper stop!  Coolant is allowed to flow through Heater Core Circuit, and can keep us (or Windshield) toasty!
 

Note that the Return Spring is now stretched and will "help" to move the AL and close the valve mechanism...but notice also, that the mechanism is not free enough to move with only the force of return spring.  Even though well lubed (with graphite filled grease), and smooth to operate, the linkage of the sample HCV shown here had enough resistance to movement, so maintained its open position without input from the control cable! 

 

Problem Condition:  

A slipped sheath has occurred!


Sheath has slipped in it's Clamp and input motion is lost.  Although Cable is almost fully pulled, instead of imparting all of the motion to the control lever, it's motion has served to move the Sheath from its proper position!  The HCV actuating lever is only partially activated, so remains at mid-travel, and linkage is clearly not in contact with the linkage stop

When this situation occurs in the car, Temp Control may very well be set to Cold, but since HCV is not fully closed, some engine temperature Coolant is still allowed to continue to flow through Heater Core Circuit, and warm air results! [Including even if no airflow is selected, just by the heated air sneaking around the less than perfectly closed flaps of the Airbox!]  This is the typical Problem Condition resulting in less than full motion of the Actuating Lever at the HCV, and producing heated air, when we would rather not have it...like in the summer!  It should be clear to the reader that if Sheath slips at either sending end...(Heater Temp Control) OR receiving end (HCV), of the Bowden Cable, this condition can occur, resulting in less than full movement of the HCV actuating lever!  

 

The Simple Fix - Barbing the Sheathclamps:  

As rubber outer covering of Bowden Cable ages, and is subjected to continuous pressure from the Sheathclamp, it Cold-Flows ...Sheathclamp can, and typically looses its grip, allowing Sheath to slip, resulting in lost motion and the above Symptoms.  Corrosion inside the Bowden Cable (which increases friction between inner Cable and Sheath) also contributes to the condition, so this is a not infrequently occurring age-related issue. 

To prevent this, and return the function to proper and as-new, it is a simple matter of increasing the holding power of the Sheathclamp, and reducing the cable friction...Barbing your Sheathclamps, and lubing your cables! 


Step 2 of the author's preferred way to prevent control cable sheath slippage:  Dimpling and Barbing the Sheathclamp!  Clamp is removed from it's assembled location (both input, at Heater Control Panel, and output termination at HCV should be so treated!), holding it securely in a vice, then using a center punch, making a series of dimples, moving some of the soft clamp material into a dimple with an adjacent sharp Barb.  This increases the holding ability of the clamp immeasurably, such that in combination with Step 1. Permanent lubrication of the Bowden Cable!...the control will feel and move soft as silk once again, and all control inputs will be translated to full movement at the receiving end...and that forevermore!  Gosh, I do nice work!  

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My response to yet another (this time on Face Plant), posting of Heat/Defrost System continuing to give Heat, when Control is set to COLD, and Heater Control Valve should be fully closed and allow NO heated engine Coolant to flow through Heater Core...then some helpful poster suggests replacing the HCV... 

 

"BEFORE suggesting OP replace the Heater Control Valve, he should simply assure that all Bowden Control Cable action of the control, when set to Cold, is getting to the HCV!  Typically it is not!
Hubert [OP], I suggest you set the Temp Control to Cold while watching the action of the Bowden Cable directly at the HCV linkage (located in passenger side footwell...follow Control Cable!) , then try to move the linkage at HCV further in that direction (to fully close it!). If the HCV linkage can be moved further, then there is Lost Motion, and not all the action you put in at the Control is getting to the HCV, so it is staying partially open, and you keep getting heat from the Heater Core!
This is quite the typical symptom of a slipping Bowden Cable Sheath, which can easily be remedied by barbing the Sheathclamps at both ends, and also lubing the cable. See: https://www.sw-em.com/checkchoke.htm#appendix_2
Also: https://www.sw-em.com/Heater_Control_Valve.htm  Good Hunting  "

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Reference Information:

Heater Core Circuit:


Coolant flow at Heater Core and Heater Control Valve.  122 and 1800 plumbing variations are shown. 
 

Source:  https://www.sw-em.com/Cooling_System.htm#heating_/_defrost_systems

 

Cold Flow or Creep:

The popular reference source calls the physical property of materials, to slowly deform because of the constant force they are subjected to:  "Creep". 

I prefer to use the more scientific term of "Cold Flow" and reserve the term Creep for other things... 

 

Bowden Cable info:

See also:  Bowden Cable use in Volvo Choke:  https://www.sw-em.com/checkchoke.htm#Reference_Information

See also:  Bowden Control Cable  ...on the popular reference site.

While surfing restoration of other vehicles...I ran across this tidbit of applicable info:  In this case, a 1953 KR175 Messerschmitt Kabinenroller three-wheeler, being restored by an interesting young German man who normally concentrates on the Italian Piaggio Apecars (also three-wheelers), the Bowden Cables are used in a slightly different way...

Source:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp50EuS9S9E

In the brakes of a Messerschmitt KR175 three-wheeler, Bowden Cables remain fixed, and Sheaths are intentionally moved , rather demonstrating that that it is the relative movement of the two which is important to transfer input action to the receiving end.  It may be a bit difficult to make out on the above frame-capture, but the Cables are indeed terminated on a non-moving end-stop at Green, and the Sheaths are connected to the moving Brake Pedal (at Yellow)!

Voiceover Excerpt:  " ...man schiebt/zieht nicht wie normalerweise die Seilzüge, mann shiebt die Huellen quasi, um für Bremsen zu sorgen..."

Author's Translation:  "...one does not push/pull the (Bowden) Cables, one pushes the Sheath, to activate the brakes..."

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"Other Solutions" to Slipping Bowden Cable Sheaths:  

Below is shown the condition this owner found his heater control cables in, all of which had slipped.  One Sheath is uncaptured, still hanging in the breeze, resulting in ALL motion being lost, with none being transferred, and two others exhibiting creative attempts at improving the Sheathclamp holding ability...one by adding an 8(est.) penny nail, one by wrapping Sheath with alu foil...

I prefer the less-rustic (and completely indivisible-and stealth!) method of simply barbing the Sheathclamp...

Crop of a William S. pic, used with his kind permission. 


Rustic solutions to slipping Bowden Cable Sheaths...

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